tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post1284923487215362885..comments2024-03-28T09:08:02.321+00:00Comments on Horse and Musket Gaming: The Battle of Surbiton, 1648nundankethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-15501552630575269252022-03-07T22:48:15.729+00:002022-03-07T22:48:15.729+00:00Thanks for your input. I’ve found out a lot of loc...Thanks for your input. I’ve found out a lot of local history this way. My little mix of fiction and playing with toy soldiers has paid dividends!nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-91456649336022576962022-03-07T21:26:44.632+00:002022-03-07T21:26:44.632+00:00Surbiton Common is now houses on the Ewell Road be...Surbiton Common is now houses on the Ewell Road between Surbiton & kingston. Apparently there was a pond between Douglas and Red lion roads which was used for the drinking of cattle from Surbiton Common. So, must be close. Great article.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589338415455795682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-49758803368147542332022-01-28T15:22:25.134+00:002022-01-28T15:22:25.134+00:00Old Malden Lane is where l used to live. I think t...Old Malden Lane is where l used to live. I think the cannonball was found in Grafton Road, just off Kingston Road whi h leads to Ewell so that makes sense.Huw Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07386144878484821508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-61591243720848020952022-01-27T19:05:39.819+00:002022-01-27T19:05:39.819+00:00Interesting! Thanks Huw. The Royalists approached ...Interesting! Thanks Huw. The Royalists approached Surbiton via Ewell do it’s quite possible they deposited/fired some projectiles in the WP area. Also there were a number of powder mills along the Hogsmill - there’s a new development on Old Malden Lane with reference to this in the name.nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-78833579764025534312022-01-27T18:22:23.117+00:002022-01-27T18:22:23.117+00:00I used to live in Worcester Park,about a mile or t...I used to live in Worcester Park,about a mile or two south of Surbiton,in the 80s and distinctly remember reading an article in the local paper about someone finding a civil war cannonball buried in their garden. The rusting ammunition was attributed to this battle and given the long range of large (and relatively immobile) 17th century artillery peices this seems quite feasible.Huw Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07386144878484821508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-12997482451167338912021-10-25T14:01:32.155+02:002021-10-25T14:01:32.155+02:00Thanks for your contribution Adrian. That’s confi...Thanks for your contribution Adrian. That’s confirmed what I thought about the station name.<br /><br />I wonder if Lucy Furlong is repeating a local legend or if there is a specific reference. Pinning down locations of battlefields even for something as recent as the English Civil Wars is a tricky business.nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-67574874697073278162021-10-24T13:40:48.346+02:002021-10-24T13:40:48.346+02:00The hilly road mentioned is probably Villiers Path...The hilly road mentioned is probably Villiers Path not Villiers Ave which is at the back of Hollyfield school as a north continuation of King Charles Road https://sampsonlow.co/2017/02/23/villiers-path-lucy-furlong/ and its here https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3960072,-0.299995,233a,35y,38.81h,30.54t/data=!3m1!1e3<br />And Surbiton station was originally called Kingston station for a few short years and was located at Lamberts Hill NE of where it is now, near the junction of Villiers Path, Villiers Ave and King Charles Road. And 150 years ago Surbiton was mainly between Ewell road and King Charles Road.Adrian Clinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14935177533484637106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-87989450058383737842021-10-19T00:50:52.576+02:002021-10-19T00:50:52.576+02:00Many thanks for your contribution. Very interestin...Many thanks for your contribution. Very interesting. This has prompted me to do a bit more digging on the internet.<br /><br />I assume the property you are referring to is Worcester Park House. It appears to have been where Surbiton Raceway now is, which makes sense as it’s on an area of open ground. This would place it by the Ewell-Kingston Road south of Tolworth.<br /><br />I assume the alarm was being raised on behalf of the Royalists as the (2nd) Marquess of Worcester, who’s grandfather had the house built as he was Keeper of the Park, was a Royalist. Maybe the message to Kingston was about the impending arrival of the Parliamentarians.<br /><br />The 2nd Marquess, Edward Somerset then appears to have been something of an inventor during the Restoration and developed a prototype steam engine called a “water commanding engine”!nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-53582746894660554392021-10-18T23:51:57.409+02:002021-10-18T23:51:57.409+02:00The History and excavation of nonsuch palacehttps:...The History and excavation of nonsuch palacehttps://www.bookdepository.com/Nonsuch-Palace-Martin-Biddle/9781900188340<br />gives a good account by Martin Biddle the then chief historian for the borough who excavated the palace and places the battle just west of Nonsuch and a map which shows the common extended to Ewell<br />and the alarm was raised to Lord Worcesters house beside the hogsmill near Tplworth who sent a message to Kingston Lord Worcester was the keeper of the hunting park hense Worcester parkAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13713202544823925524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-38004572428592732452020-04-09T12:15:52.692+02:002020-04-09T12:15:52.692+02:00Thanks for your comment James. I wondered if that’...Thanks for your comment James. I wondered if that’s how the road got it’s name.nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926379735288757900.post-80526878707871812572020-04-09T04:14:16.130+02:002020-04-09T04:14:16.130+02:00There is a hilly road in Kingston named Villiers A...There is a hilly road in Kingston named Villiers Avenue where legend has it the young Duke of Villiers held at bay several roundheads by his skilled swordsplay, until stabbed by a pike through a hedge at Villier's back.james Wisemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896911667464124195noreply@blogger.com